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The MoveOn.org Action Forum Sideshow (Archived 9/11 conspiracy theories plus racist and anti-Semitic hate speech)

Tent #1 (hate speech)

Tent #2 (hate speech)

Humor: MoveOn discovers the TRUTH behind 9/11!

MoveOn's anti- Catholic hate ad attacks the Pope. Compare to Thomas Nast's 19th century cartoons.

MoveOn.org Official Bulletin backs Palestinians against Israel: cites Electronic Intifada

MoveOn.org's Judas goats, enablers, and stooges: National Jewish Democratic Council, Jewish Funds for Justice

National Jewish Democratic Council: Anti-Christian and Anti-Semitic Hate Organization

Democrats Embrace Al Sharpton's Racist National Action Network

NEW (August 2007) Anti-Semitic and Anti-Catholic Hate Speech at the Daily Kos

NEW (September 2007) MoveOn smears General Petraeus. How your Senators and Representatives voted on standing behind Petraeus



Blog: MoveOn.org, Please Move On!

Downloadable Word MoveOn.org hate speech documentation (about 650Kb)

MoveOn.org's Judas Goats, Enablers, and Stooges

UPDATE: Jewish Funds for Justice is apparently no longer backing MoveOn.org. We recommend it as a central organizing point for Jewish progressives who don't want to work with a hate group (MoveOn.org) even though it is somewhat to the left of our own ideology.

National Jewish Democratic Council, MoveOn.org's Judas Goat

A Judas goat is a trained and often well-fed animal that plays on its identity as, for example, a goat, sheep, or steer to get similar animals to follow it up the ramp to the meat packing factory. The National Jewish Democratic Council is similarly using its “Jewish” identity to knowingly and willfully whitewash MoveOn.org’s tolerance of hate speech at its Action Forum.

The following pictures underscore the Judas goat concept. Queers Undermining Israeli Terror (QUIT) and Boycott World Pride seek to boycott the controversial gay pride event which is to be held in Jerusalem. QUIT and Boycott World Pride trade on their nominally-gay identity to convince other gay people that Israel is a bad country and its militant “Islamic” neighbors are fine and dandy.

Now suppose, for example, that Nazis managed to get a few members of the Jewish community to usher other Jews into cattle cars while reassuring them that they were going to a nice recreational relocation facility even though they had seen the gas chambers and crematoria. The National Jewish Democratic Council has proven itself a Jewish Judas goat, with exactly the same ethics as a Jew who would tell other Jews to get in the cattle car.

On October 27 NJDC leader Ira Forman wrote, NJDC Reacts to the Swift Boating of MoveOn By the RJC. Forman wrote the following while accusing the Republican Jewish Coalition and, by implication ourselves (since we supplied the RJC with information about MoveOn.org) of lying.

Jewish voters should take comfort in knowing that MoveOn.org is not a haven for anti-Semitism and the organization will renounce and remove any postings of the sort.
Leave it to Republicans to not allow the truth to get in the way of campaigning.

Sincerely,
Ira Forman
Executive Director
National Jewish Democratic Council

As shown on the page, Jan Poller and ourselves provided the NJDC with proof that MoveOn.org knew of the anti-Semitic and other hate speech that permeated its Action Forum, and chose to let the hate speech stand while deleting pro-Israel commentary as well as criticism of MoveOn.org. We also sent an E-mail with this information to the Jewish Funds for Justice and National Jewish Democratic Council on October 28 (To: njdc “at” njdc.org, nynjdc “at” njdc.org, info “at” jewishjustice.org).

In summary, NJDC has MoveOn.org’s lip service to the effect that it didn’t see the hate speech until mid-August when it was promptly removed, and anyway the rest of the MoveOn.org community condemned it. (”We weren’t there and, besides, we were only following orders.” Right.) Our side has the following, all of which were made available to NJDC and Jewish Funds for Justice:

(1) Jan Poller’s letter of April 1 2004, which told MoveOn.org about the hate speech. This alone proves that MoveOn.org didn’t “just find out about it” in mid-August.
(2) Reams of hate speech that were harvested from the Action Forum two or more weeks after the MoveOn press release, thus proving that MoveOn.org lied about deleting all but a few items.
(3) The MoveOn.org Action Forum FAQ page that says in more than one place that MoveOn monitors the forum and even reads each comment (including the hate speech) twice. This again shows that MoveOn.org didn’t “just find out” about the hate speech.
(4) Votes of overwhelming approval, as opposed to condemnation, of the hate speech by other Action Forum participants.

As of today, however, neither the Jewish Funds for Justice nor the National Jewish Democratic Council has changed its position. When a followup E-mail was sent to NJDC this morning, it received the reply, ” You guys have been asked politiely before, and will be once again — please cease spamming us.”

When we last heard, “spam” was unsolicited bulk commercial E-mail as opposed to correspondence regarding NJDC’s public implication that we ourselves are lying. Nonetheless, since NJDC does not want us to communicate with it by E-mail, we will communicate with it and its Jewish constituents through this medium instead.

Last week, it could have been argued that NJDC was an innocent victim of the same misinformation that MoveOn.org fed to the public and the ADL. Repetition of lies that one swallows in good faith is not lying, but continuing to repeat the lies after one has seen independently-verifiable proof of their falsehood is. NJDC’s continued support of MoveOn.org makes NJDC an accessory after the fact (in the court of public opinion) to MoveOn.org’s reprehensible conduct and cover-up.

Mr. Forman, your organization was given every opportunity to correct its mistaken assertion that we are liars. At this point, NJDC’s conduct is no longer a mistake. The National Jewish Democratic Council is clearly a Judas goat that is using the “Jewish” in its name to help whitewash anti-Semitic hate speech every bit as vicious as that that led to the Holocaust, and anti-Catholic and racist hate speech as well. If you still wonder why George Bush won the 2004 election, a long look in the mirror might provide a good part of the answer.



National Jewish Democratic Council spews anti-Semitic material

Repackaged and relabeled “Jews as Christian haters” propaganda

We previously reported how the National Jewish Democratic Council made itself a knowing and willful accomplice after the fact to MoveOn.org’s tolerance of anti-Semitic, racist, and anti-Christian hate speech at its Action Forum. Now the NJDC is publishing the same kind of material that Nazis used to get German Christians to distrust and despise Jews.

Republicans’ Elephant in the Room at the NJDC blog site quotes columnist and Columbia University professor Samuel Freedman as follows.

More than identifying the schism on any specific topic, the research describes a visceral distrust, bordering on antipathy, for Evangelical Christians on the part of American Jews.

Anyone who has read either Sun Tzu’s The Art of War or Linebarger’s Psychological Warfare will immediately recognize what is going on here, and we have read both. The mission of an agent provacateur is to stir up trouble between two or more groups of people for political gain, and this looks like the agenda of the already-disgraced National Jewish Democratic Council.

How is saying that Jews have “a visceral distrust, bordering on antipathy, for Evangelical Christians” anti-Semitic? The target of a propaganda campaign might in fact be the very people to whom the propaganda is addressed. Here is an example of this form of propaganda, straight from MoveOn.org’s disgraced Action Forum. By suggesting that African-Americans might be receptive to an invitation to desert or refuse orders (as symbolized by laying down one’s weapon), this actually implies that Blacks are potential deserters or even mutineers.

http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?comment_id=287544 (link no longer active)
…Then make a truthful statement to your commanding officer and the press as to how you are probably discriminated against by your superiors. I would suggest you then offer them your weapon, after realizing who your enemy maybe. Upon your return to America, ask bush how his appointing Alito a racist to the Supreme Court will improve Blacks freedom and opportunities in this country. See; http://www.outbush2005.blogspot.com
13 of 14 voted to AGREE with this

The material quoted by the National “Jewish” Democratic Council is, in fact, similar to Nazi propaganda whose purpose was to incite hatred of Jews. From “Propaganda and Children during the Hitler Years” by Mary Mills at Nizkor’s Web site,

Drawing on several centuries of anti-semitism, Bauer intensifies her anti-semitic assault by making the virtuous German the object of the Jewish hate. …An example of this concept of the Jew as a Christian-hater occurs in Uncovered Jewry, Or A Thorough And Truthful Report About The Horrible Ways The Hidden Jews Desecrate The Holy Trinity.

Rabbi Daniel Lapin’s “Why Do “Jewish Organizations” Promote Hate Between Jew and Christian?” meanwhile adds,

During November [2005], the head of the Anti-Defamation League declared Christians to be the enemies of Jews. “…[Named Christian organizations] and other groups have established new organizations and church-based networks, and built infrastructure throughout the country designed to promote traditional Christian values.”

We do not know where the ADL stands on traditional Christian values, but our understanding is that they are almost identical to traditional Jewish values. While we do not believe that Jesus was actually the son of God or that he rose from the dead, we do believe that he taught the basic value system that is the foundation of all civilized societies. The difference between Christians and others is only what they call this value system. Christians call it the Good News. Buddhists call it the Good Law or Good Way (Bodi-Dharma), Hindus call it Dharma (the Right Way), and Chinese and Japanese call it Tao and Do (The Way) respectively. Christian literature also often refers to The Way. In other words, our only difference with Christians consists of something we cannot know about until we reach what Shakespeare called the undiscovered country from whose bourn no traveler returns. If NJDC thinks it is going to stir up dissent between us and our Christian friends over metaphysics, it has seriously misjudged us. Right now, the only enemies we can identify are NJDC and MoveOn.org.

The National “Jewish” Democratic Council is obviously interested only in garnering votes for MoveOn.org/ John Kerry Democrats at all costs, including Jewish-Christian relations. That is going to stop and it is going to stop very quickly, because we will be first in line to join ranks with our Evangelical Christian friends to relegate the NJDC and its divisive hate propaganda to the ash heap of history.

The Republican Jewish Coalition has been informed of the National Jewish Democratic Council’s propagation of anti-Semitic “Jew as Christian hater” material, along with NJDC’s making itself a knowing and willful accomplice to the hate speech at MoveOn.org’s Action Forum. RJC has already used information from Jan Poller and ourselves in its newsletter to show that NJDC and not RJC is lying about the MoveOn.org issue. Similar information was just sent to the Christian Coalition to show that NJDC does not speak for Jews.

The hate speech in MoveOn.org’s Action Forum was coincidentally not limited to Jews and Catholics, but extended in some cases to Evangelical Christians. Evangelicals were, for example, criticized for supporting Israel, and this should help identify the true enemy. Here is one straight from the Action Forum, and note that nine out of eleven MoveOn.org Action Forum participants agreed with it.

As an Evangelical Christian, the president is doing his part to hasten armageddon, as evidenced by his middle-east policies. He would like nothing more than full scale war between the Jews, Christians and Muslims, as has been prophesisied in the Bible. Also keep in mind that the Evangelicals have no great love for the Baptists or the Catholics, many of whom the president managed to kill in New Orleans. Yet the president’s Evangelical Christian agenda is largely ignored - and it needs to be exposed.

Christians do not believe that they can do anything to hasten Armageddon or the Second Coming of Jesus. The above smear is in fact a blood libel of Christians, because it falsely accuses them of setting up Jews to be killed at Armageddon. We have no more use for blood libels of Christians than we have for blood libels of Jews or anyone else. It is obvious who the real enemy is, and no one here is stupid enough to let that enemy convince Jews and Evangelical Christians that it is each other.

Anti-Defamation League

(UPDATE: Although Jewish Funds for Justice previously sponsored a "stand with MoveOn.org" online petition, it is now clear that this organization is no longer backing MoveOn.org. The online petition is no longer working, and JFJ has expressed distaste for both MoveOn.org and NJDC. Although its political viewpoints are to the left of ours, our experiences have led us to give it some respect and credibility. In fact, we recommend it to Jewish progressives who are looking for a palatable alternative to MoveOn.org.)

We previously reported how the National Jewish Democratic Council has made itself a knowing and willful accessory after the fact to anti-Semitic hate speech similar to the kind used to perpetrate the Holocaust. In the absence of any change in position by the Anti-Defamation League on MoveOn.org’s proven tolerance for hate speech, we must come to the same conclusion about it as well. Righteous indignation and public exposure is the only possible reply to knowing and willful collaboration with hatemongers.

NJDC and ADL participated in a whitewash of MoveOn.org after the latter organization was exposed for welcoming not only anti-Semitic but also racist and anti-Catholic hate speech at its Action Forum. With very few exceptions, the hate speech garnered approval from 70 to 95 percent of the Action Forum participants who voted on it.

(1) MoveOn.org anti-Semitic hate speech included the same kind of material that the Nazi Party used to perpetrate the Holocaust. A blood libel, with which ten out of thirteen Action Forum participants voted agreement, said that the Talmud commands Jews to “slaughter non-Jews who are viewed more or less as animals or at least lesser human beings.” Numerous comments accused Jewish-Americans of dividing their loyalties between the United States and Israel, controlling all the media, and running a “Zionist Occupied Government.”
(2) Anti-Catholic hate speech denounced the “Catholic Pedophiles of America,” proclaimed, “The Catholics are raping your children,” called Catholic clergy “baby rapers,” and referred to the Pope as a Nazi while questioning the loyalty of Catholic Supreme Court justices to the United States Constitution.
(3) Racist entries were designed to evoke contempt as opposed to actual hatred for Black people. One item referred to prominent African-Americans as “house slaves” while another suggested that African-American soldiers were potential mutineers who should be disarmed and segregated.
(4) Numerous blood libels (falsely accusing a group of murder or blaming a murder on someone other than the known perpetrator) also were directed at the United States Government, which was accused of planning, complicity in, or even carrying out the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

The Anti-Defamation League whitewashed MoveOn.org by agreeing with MoveOn.org’s press release of September 2, which did not even apologize for the above conduct. The following were made available to NJDC, ADL, and Jewish Funds for Justice:

(1) Jan Poller’s letter of April 1 2004, which told MoveOn.org about the hate speech. This alone proves that MoveOn.org didn’t “just find out about it” in mid-August.
(2) Reams of hate speech that were harvested from the Action Forum two or more weeks after the MoveOn press release, thus proving that MoveOn.org lied about deleting all but a few items.
(3) The MoveOn.org Action Forum FAQ page that says in more than one place that MoveOn monitors the forum and even reads each comment (including the hate speech) twice. This again shows that MoveOn.org didn’t “just find out” about the hate speech.
(4) Votes of overwhelming approval, as opposed to condemnation, of the hate speech by other Action Forum participants.

This is far from the first time that groups have put politics above principle and even organizational mission statements. We have demonstrated on numerous occasions that the far-left Indybay.org’s support for women’s rights and gay rights, including the basic human right to live, ends where the militant “Islamic” world begins. This was demonstrated by posting articles about Palestinian and other militant “Islamic” violence toward gays and women, only to have the articles hidden by the Indybay collective.

The Anti-Defamation League, now to be called the Antisemitism-enabling Denial League, has some impressive material about anti-Semitic and anti-American hate material from the militant “Islamic” world. ADL’s whitewash of MoveOn.org proves, however, that its opposition to hate speech ends where the left-wing branch of the Democratic Party begins. The MoveOn.org branch of the Democratic Party could probably call someone the N word and get a pass from the ADL. The Huffington Post did in fact post a picture of Senator Lieberman in blackface, thus making “Jew Lieberman” as MoveOn.org calls him into “N***er Lieberman.” The use of black skin as an insult is obviously racist.

The Democrats claim to be pro-Israel but it is quite clear where MoveOn.org stands on Israel. The Anti-Defamation League, meanwhile, has shown that it stands for nothing whatsoever. “Honor” means you are for the right thing all the time, not only when it is convenient, and ADL seems to have parked its honor in a hole the instant the MoveOn.org wing of the Democratic Party bleated to it for a whitewash. We will tell ADL about the “N***er Lieberman” item and see if the Huffington Post gets a pass as well. Bets, anyone?


John Kerry, insults our Armed Forces yet again

Kerry derides American soldiers as the scum of the earth, enlisted only because they are too stupid to get civilian jobs. From an Associated Press release, "The war of words, tough even for this hard-fought campaign season, came after Kerry told a group of California students on Monday that those unable to navigate the country's education system 'get stuck in Iraq.'"

Lest we forget how Kerry libeled and slandered our Armed Forces during the Vietnam War and probably got thousands of men killed through his encouragement of the enemy:





  • From History News Network, Tim Russert's interview with John Kerry in 1971 (http://hnn.us/articles/3552.html)
    SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down.
  • Statement by John Kerry to the Senate Committee of Foreign Relations April 23, 1971
    http://www.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history398/JohnKerryTestimony.html  http://pages.xtn.net/~wingman/docs/kerryst.htm
    I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command.... They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam
 
 
 
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