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The MoveOn.org Action Forum Sideshow (Archived 9/11 conspiracy theories plus racist and anti-Semitic hate speech)
Tent #1 (hate speech)
Tent #2 (hate speech)
Humor: MoveOn discovers the TRUTH behind 9/11!
MoveOn's anti- Catholic hate ad attacks the Pope. Compare to Thomas Nast's 19th century cartoons.
MoveOn.org Official Bulletin backs Palestinians against Israel: cites Electronic Intifada
MoveOn.org's Judas goats, enablers, and stooges: National Jewish Democratic Council, Jewish Funds for Justice
National Jewish Democratic Council: Anti-Christian and Anti-Semitic Hate Organization
Democrats Embrace Al Sharpton's Racist National Action Network
NEW (August 2007) Anti-Semitic and Anti-Catholic Hate Speech at the Daily Kos
NEW (September 2007) MoveOn smears General Petraeus. How your Senators and Representatives voted on standing behind Petraeus
Blog: MoveOn.org, Please Move On!
Downloadable Word MoveOn.org hate speech documentation (about 650Kb)
Step right up and see the anti-Semitic freaks and 9/11 conspiracy kooks
Hate speech directed at Evangelical Christians
This is what MoveOn.org's Eli Pariser told the public, and also Abraham
Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League, on 2 September 2006.http://www.moveon.org/content/pac/pdfs/statement_090206.pdf [Our comments in brackets]
Statement On ActionForum Comments.
Statement from Eli Pariser, MoveOn.org Political Action
“MoveOn’s ActionForum is an open forum where members of the public and MoveOn members can post their thoughts regarding important political issues.
Once in a while—as in any public forum—inappropriate material is posted. Recently, a few of the thousands of comments that are posted every week contained anti-Semitic language.
The comments that were posted were abhorrent. We were dismayed to see them, and removed them as soon as they came to our attention 17 days ago. [Utter bull, as shown below]
Many of the comments identified were not, in fact, made by MoveOn members. [But they received overwhelming approval from other Action Forum members as shown below.] We are working to discern whether they were made as a part of a right-wing campaign to target the organization. [This is about as believable as, "The cops planted the weed on me, man" when the speaker has two "Mary Jane" cigarettes hanging from his mouth. Maybe MoveOn.org believes the American public is sufficiently high to believe this story.]
Clearly, any attempt to tie MoveOn’s 3.2 million members to the hateful comments of a few nonmembers on an online public forum is wrong. [(1) How do you know they are nonmembers, and (2) your Action Forum participants voted overwhelming approval.]
We were pleased to see that so many MoveOn members rose to sharply criticize the hate speech that was posted – even before it was brought to our attention.” [And your moderators were very diligent in deleting those criticisms.]
This is what was online at MoveOn.org's Action Forum as of 20 September 2006
Note: the Action Forum links no longer work because the Action Forum is still "on vacation" (having been taken down for good in October 2006). It is easy to see why.
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Christians and Jews are "Nuts"
http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?&comment_id=230305Christians ("so-called..") believe that Jesus (a Jewish rabbi and wannabe Jewish messiah) died for them and saved their souls when he couldn't even save his own skin let alone the Jewish people. Jews consider any non-Jew as inferior ("the Chosen"). Moslems want to convert everybody. I hear that Buddhists are not that tolerant either. My conclusion: turn churches, temples and mosques into social centers and priests, rabbis, etc into social workers to help the poor and the homeless. If people need religion, let them practice at home. Religion should not be subsidized by the State. The world would be a much better place without fundamentalists of all sorts. 11 of 16 Action Forum participants voted to AGREE
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MoveOn.org-endorsed candidates [1]
Ned Lamont (D-CT)Patrick Murphy for U.S. Congress (PA-08) Diane Farrell for U.S. Congress (CT-04) Robert Byrd for U.S. Senate (WV) Bob Casey for U.S. Senate (PA) Nick Lampson for U.S. Congress (TX-22) Sherrod Brown for U.S. Senate (OH) Francine Busby for U.S. Congress (CA-50) Bill Nelson for U.S. Senate (FL)
[1] http://pol.moveon.org/2006/endorsed.html
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"Christians support the lies and the lying warmongers"
http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?comment_id=229294I could not agree with your post since you did not mention the war or peacemaking. During the Vietnam war the church was outspoken and played a key role in supporting the anti war movement. Today the Machiavellian tactics of Bu$hco and Rove have bought off the chuches with "faith based" money, homo-sexual bigotry and false promises about ending abortion. Christians support the lies and the lying warmongers who tell them. They have become just another political lobby group for Bush. The Dems need to focus on being the Peacemakers and saving the "Already Born". As of Saturday, July 9, 2005, at least 1,752 members of the U.S. military have died since the beginning of the Iraq war and the Iraqi death toll is even higher. Where are today's Berrigan Brothers? 21 of 26 Action Forum participants voted to AGREE
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"fat, white, rich Christians"
http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?comment_id=228956We would have more women candidates, more black, hispanic, asian descent, native-american, middle eastern descent that truly represent our society. Not fat, white, rich Christians who represent themselves and their fat rich friends. 4 of 4 Action Forum participants voted to AGREE
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"War in Iraq is for Israel not US"
http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?&comment_id=285709With the myriad of reasons for the Iraq invastion, (now discounted) the real reason we preemptively invaded Iraq was for the security of Israel and for it's goal of usurping more land, power and oil from it's Arab neighbors. The AIPAC is the most powerful lobby on Capitol Hill. No politician can be critical of Israeli policy without risking losing the money, votes and the power of this lobby. They all know it is political suicide to do so. This is the dirty little secret that no one can talk about! Another big problem is conflict of interest. How can we have high level people in our government making foreign policy decisions when they are Jewish Americans? It is a cystal clear case of conflict of interest. Their loyalty is to Israel and it has become our loyalty too above what is good for America. No other interests should be above American interest, but this is not the case. Our government is in the horrible position now of fighting this war for the benefit of Israel without their help (don't want a WWW3 situation), without their money and we are losing American lives for a lie. Iraq has never been any kind of threat to America. They are a threat to Israel. Sure we would like to get our hands on Iraqi oil, but that's not why we are there. The Israeli lobby started asking us to start a war with in the Clinton administration. We wouldn't do it, but when 9-11 happened George decided he could tie them to it and show the rest of the world they better not mess with us in the process. Of course the "cooked up WMD's" were largely a result of Jewish Americans in the intelligence community. Please read "A Clean Break". It describes how this is just the initial step by Israel to change the whole Middle East. Our Pro-Israeli foreign policy is the whole reason for the 9-11 attacks. We let Israel continue to build illegal settlements on Arab land in the Gaza and commit human rights violations one after the other. Although this may not be reported much in our media, the whole rest of the world knows that we allowed the "occupiers" to have free reign and it is making enemies for us world wide. Israel started out as a little country created by the Balfour Declaration after the holocoust tragedy. It has since tripled in size with every preemptive invasion and conquest of the Palestinian and Arab land surrounding it and they are not willing to give any bit of it back. They say they will and then they don't. The peace process now is nonexistant ever since George decided to have a hands off policy over there. This was very foolish. If there is no peace there, there will be no safety for America either. We give Israel over 3 BILLION dollars a year. No one else gets anywhere near that? I resent that my tax money is used in this way. These are the sad facts that need to be addressed by Move-On. Don't be scared to tell the truth...Thank you. - Dawn Richeyd, lender (March 22, 2006; Henderson, NV) 8 of 9 Action Forum participants voted to AGREE
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Another "divided loyalties" slur
http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?&comment_id=287499The American Jewish Committee obviously has money to spend. Their ad against Iran in yesterday's New York Times shows that the Committee is American only in name and should change its name to the Israeli Jewish Committee. If Iran is a threat to the region, what about Israel? How many countries can Israel destroy with its 200 plus nuclear warheads and all its planes, tanks and submarines? If they think Israel is threatened, there is an honorable way to help: make aliah (emigrate to Israel). I am sure they will be welcome. 9 of 10 Action Forum participants voted to AGREE
MoveOn-er wishes the U.S. had never existed, praises Hitler
http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?&comment_id=285174First, you’re right about one thing: Bush is no Hitler. Hitler was a socialist and believed in something beside money. He did not dodge real military service and he believed at least in Germany which was a real nation and not a corporation like the US. Moreover, Hitler did not use depleted uranium and phosphorous to burn people alive. He did not condone the torture of prisoners “for fun” or “to relieve stress”. Second, regarding 9/11, you obviously are ill informed. Let me refer you to a few videos and web sites that might open your Jewish eyes (no offense, I am Jewish myself and was once blind too). http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2023320890224991194 http://www.911truestory.com or http://www.911truth.org Aren’t you curious about why Bush was against a 9/11 Commission? Why no real police investigation was conducted? Why no black box, parts of planes like engines or bodies were recovered? Why whatever was recovered was quickly shipped out of the country? Why, in a way that is totally unprecedented and not repeated since, buildings burned and collapsed like paper houses even the building that wasn‘t hit by planes and where there were just two minor fires? Did you know that some of the alleged hijackers who supposedly died on the planes have since been seen? Don’t you ask why the volume of put options on Boeing and American Airlines were two or three times higher than usual just before the facts? Do you know that a huge amount of gold that was stored in one of the towers is still not accounted for? These are but a few of the many questions that remain unanswered. I wish that before you publish a book about the Menace in Europe, you think about the real damage that this country has inflicted on mankind since it came into existence 200 plus years ago. 12 of 15 Action Forum participants voted to AGREE
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MoveOn.org-endorsed candidates [1]
Patrick Murphy for U.S. Congress (PA-08)
Diane Farrell for U.S. Congress (CT-04)
Robert Byrd for U.S. Senate (WV)
Bob Casey for U.S. Senate (PA)
Nick Lampson for U.S. Congress (TX-22)
Sherrod Brown for U.S. Senate (OH)
Francine Busby for U.S. Congress (CA-50)
Bill Nelson for U.S. Senate (FL)
[1] http://pol.moveon.org/2006/endorsed.html
What happens when a decent liberal objects to the hate speech? This is from a file of 5000 Action Forum postings we downloaded prior to the forum's shutdown in September.
3993. Blaming Ethnicity and Religion
When Italy became fascist and worked in alliance
with Hitler, was that the fault of the Catholics? Was it even the fault
of Italy? Or was it the fault of psychopathic power mongers at the top.
Come on now, Italy is 90% Catholic and Rome is their holy city. So how much sense does it make to blame JEWS for what a few psychopathic power mongers at the top in Israel do.
I mean you see all these idiot Republicans hating Arabs and Islamic people and frothing at the mouth to send in the war machines and have them killed. This based on what a few terrorists among them do.
hy dont we start hating Irish people because of the IRA. And there again most of the Republic of Ireland is Catholic so people could say see how all those Catholics are.
There are quite a few posts on this forum condemning Israel for what they’re doing in Lebanon right now. Well that is one thing, but those people talking trash about JEWS, that is unacceptable.
If you want to join Mel Gibson in the creep of the year awards go ahead but dont pollute this forum with your religious and ethnic
54% voted to DISAGREE
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"God Save Our Gracious King/Queen" (light entertainment)
This one is not racist, anti-Semitic, or anti-American; it simply says that we should adopt Britain's national anthem. Didn't we fight a war so we wouldn't have to sing "God Save Our Gracious King?"http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?comment_id=311337 What I consider my National Anthem
My Country, 'tis of thee,
Sweet land of liberty, Of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, Land of the pilgrim's pride, From every mountainside Let freedom ring. Original lyrics (still used in the United Kingdom) God save our gracious Queen, Long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen! Send her victorious, Happy and glorious, Long to reign over us; God save the Queen! |
U.S., Britain, and Israel Cause Terrorism
http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?comment_id=302855ALL terrorism is the result of the forign policies of the U.S., Britain, Israel, and perhaps one or two others. ISRAEL WOULD NOT HAVE TO USE 10 MILLION U.S. TAX DOLLARS PER DAY TO DEFEND ITSELF AGAINST THE INDIGENOUS POPULATION OF THAT REGION, IF IT WASNT FOR THE FACT THAT THEY ARE, ESSENTIALLY, EUROPEANS, OCCUPYING THE LAND THAT BELONGS TO SOMEONE ELSE. The U.S. and Britain would not have to worry about a single terrorist attack, EVER, if it wasn't for a long history of aggressive policies the world over, for, at least the last century and a half. It's always been about our's or Britains merchants, or businesses wanting to screw someone else, and our governments going to war to defend their "right" to do so. The resources, for this information, are plentyful, and well documented. Look at the history of The Opium Wars, and why they were fought. Read the book "Overthrow, America's century of regime change" by Steven Kinser. Read The Secret Wars of the CIA, by John Stockwell, a former high ranking CIA officer, who had a seat on the national security council. His testimony to congress resulted in a temporary reduction in the power of the CIA, and some oversight, until Bush senior declared that he "would restore the CIA to it's historical power". http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Stockwell/John_Stockwell.html TO STOP TERRORISM, WE, SIMPLY HAVE TO STOP SCREWING PEOPLE WHO HAVE SOMETHING OUR CORPORATE INTERESTS WANT TO EXPLOIT. IT"S THAT SIMPLE. AND WE DON"T HAVE TO WIRETAP AMERICAN CITIZENS, OR GO TO WAR, OR CAPTURE OSAMA, OR ANY OTHER CONVOLUTED, EXPENSIVE, MURDEROUS, INEFFECTIVE ANTI-DEMOCRACY MEASURE THAT OUR EVIL LEADERS TELL US WE MUST ENDURE FOR "NATIONAL SECURITY". 7 of 8 Action Forum participants voted to AGREE
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He's sure readers have had bad experiences with Jews
http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?comment_id=302833I respect everybody's opinion but obviously some people hate Jews. I am sure they have their reasons but they should not let whatever bad experience they had with some Jews (and I am sure they had some) interfere with their judgment. 9 of 10 Action Forum participants voted to AGREE
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"not infested with Arab hating Jews."
http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?comment_id=302298First the republicans used fear to motivate us to support the war, then the democrats seeing it working decided to capitalize on fear by stating that the republicans are not strong enough on homeland defense. I advocate no homeland defense and had you elected Nader, Kucinich or Dean you’d have no reason to fear either. Yes I live a long way from New York and we are not infested with Arab hating Jews. Fear costs you money and anxiety, overcoming it will set you free. 10 of 11 Action Forum participants voted to AGREE
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Jews do SOMETHING to make people hate them
http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?comment_id=302257Evangelical Christians also are a problem Iraq has done nothing to us. We haven’t seen a drop of free Iraqi oil, wont, and shouldn’t. Our government wants to punish Iraq, Iran and Syria for being adversaries of the Israeli occupation of Palestinians. How do I know? Well I watch the congressional votes. There is a much higher percentage of yes votes where applicable to Israel than for any other legislation. Aid for Israelis per capita exceeds that given to any other group including Americans. I believe that Israelis and their bad behavior is a product of all our money and the strings placed on it by AIPAC, congress, Evangelists and American Jews. Yes, we have and will go to war for Israel. Why were Jews hated in Germany, Russia, France, Italy, and the US and around the world. I’d guess they handle success poorly. 9 of 11 Action Forum participants voted to AGREE
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George Bush is the Antichrist and Satan
http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?comment_id=302522When Satan comes to America, he will be waving a flag, and carrying a cross and riding on the back of a "patriotic Republican elephant". He will be a phony Texan with a Yale bought degree, who was AWOL in Vietnam and who stole from Harken Energy. He will be placed in power by a group of criminal minds who have wrested power from WE THE PEOPLE. The devil will be cruel, psychotic and mean-spirited while trumpeting his phony good ole boy brand of hate against the Blacks, and the women and the gays of the world. In fact, he will be Hitler and Pol Pot and Stalin and Mussolini reborn as a many headed monster who stages a false flag operation that will nuclear attack nations for their oil. He will bankrupt both financially and morally America lives while he destroys peace and justice in the world. Hello, America. George W. Bush is the AntiChrist. He is the murderer of Justice and Liberty and Truth. You have let him come into your house, and act like he is your elected president. Bush is Big Brother. Big Brother is Satan. 19 of 20 Action Forum participants voted to AGREE
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Another "Hitler was better than Bush"
http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?comment_id=300907666 I THINK NOI: If there was an invisable MAN living in the clouds, he would have sent a lighting bolt thru the THINKIES ass. If there was a DEMON living below, he would have taken the bastard back home. Kinda blows a hole in the religious right doesn't it? No God, No Devil, just A TWINKIE. And what do you do with a TWINKIE that has out lived it's shelf life? You sure as hell don't let it stay in the cupoard and contimanate the rest of the food. You throw the crap out, with extreme predujuice. Jesus Christ and General Jackson too, history does repeat itself. Get a F#@$ING clue this IDIOT needs to be REMOVED before we all ask ourselves what the German people were asking themselves POST 1945, HOW COULD WE BELIEVE AND FOLLOW THIS FOOL? OR WORST YET HOW COULD WE LET THIS IDIOT U-SURP OUR DEMOCARCY? At least that bad chapter in history had a happy ending, albiet by his own hand, perhaps he was a better man than SHRUB and knew when to exit the stage..... 3 of 3 Action Forum participants voted to AGREE
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Jesus' followers were ignorant
http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?&comment_id=299917Anybody trying to bring peace to the Middle East would have to claim to be some kind of a Divine Messenger, they're just that Ignorant. When you consider the region were Jesus lived, and if you were trying to help them, you might would have to tell them you were the Son of God, just to get them to quit fighting amongst themselves, and Pay Attention. The Requirements of Freedom fly far above their heads. 5 of 9 Action Forum participants voted to AGREE
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More from MoveOn.org
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African-American soldiers are all potential mutineers, cannot be trusted with weapons
Bring Black Troops home/send bush's daughters To serve in the US to protect the homeland and our human rights, being violated by the Bush Regime. I recently spoke to an African American Marine Officer, who was disturbed about how Black Marines are being treated prior and during Bush’s illegal occupation of Irag. He related to me that if it wasn’t for the low ranking Black Marines who were being discriminated against, and he felt they needed his help, he himself would resign. For this and other reasons Blacks serving in the armed services should not become solders of fortune, but instead should be assigned to protect the human rights of African Americans, and all people regardless of color or faith. This country should also realize why Blacks are not obligated to shed blood for this country. They will not be able to share in the spoils and benefits if any are derived from this invasion, and others. They nor their love ones in their life time will receive equal opportunities in this country. For Blacks to receive the discipline basically the military have to offer, and minorities are so much in need, I would suggest that they recruit Blacks, keep them in safe positions state side and not allow them a weapon, because they may use it against those they perceive to be their enemy. 10 out of 13 agree
This also was posted, apparently by the same individual, at outbush2005.blogspot.com |
"Republicans,
Jews, and Blacks"
http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?&comment_id=309909 |
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Black
and Muslim soldiers should refuse orders/ UN should control U.S.
I ask that the UN investigate and bring appropriate charges against Bush and this administration. I demand that Congress and the UN fully investigate this administration and not allow another invasion to occur without UN sanction. This occupation must end now. The UN must take control now not later. Congress must act now. The UN must perform its duties now before dictators such as Bush achieve his goal of Caucasians ruling the world. If help is not received from Congress and the UN, I ask that the Civil Rights Organizations, Black and Muslim religious organizations, join with me in asking all Black and Muslim soldiers and civilians to refuse to support this illegal occupation of Iraq by this 'son of a bush'. See: www.outbush2005.blogspot.com
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Blacks
should not serve in our Armed Forces
I, whose son served in Afghanistan and Iraq, wish Cindy [Sheehan?] could tell Bush what I have written and wish I could tell him face to face. I believe him to be an unethical liar who never should had been put in the position he is so unqualified for, and he is an embarrassment to most people in the US, and most all people in the World. He should be impeached as I have said in the past, he should have sent his daughters to war instead of my son, he should never ask a Black to risk his or her life to offer democracy to Iraq's that Blacks will never achieve during his regime in this country. He should be tried for war crimes as he is advocating for Sadam Hussen. The same treatment Sadam receives should be the same he should get for his past and present crimes against humanity prior to the unlawful invasion of Iraq. I would ask Cindy to tell Bush that he and his regime would be doing the world a favor if they would leave office immediately. Again I state that neither Bush nor any president should ask any" BLACK in this racist country to risk his life or to be put in harms way, due to the manner in which blacks have and are yet being denied equal opportunities in this racist society. While speaking to him you must realize that due to his intellect he will most likely have to consult with his advisor, Carl Rove, also called by Bush "TURD SMASHER", to give you a somewhat intelligent answer to my statements which I want you to present on my behalf. Thanks for your involvement in a cause all reasonable Americans should support. 32 out of 35 agree |
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Police Officers are Racists
The Jews don’t deserve a State, and are less deserving than African Americans. The Jews are receiving African Americans’ “REPRARATION” in the form of foreign aid. … At least Israel requires that their youth serve in the military. This administration and its COWARDS find all the loop holes in order that they and their Caucasians Love Ones do not have to serve. When the Reserves and National Guard were considered safe havens, these units were ‘reserved’ for Caucasians. African Americans were delegated to Cooks, Mechanics etc., with little chance of advancement. Now we send our Reserves and National Guard to Muslim countries with the pretense that we want to create freedom for Muslims. These units consist of Police Officers and other Racist individuals who have since the founding of America, have discriminated and violated the rights of minorities in this country. See: http://unitedaffirmativeactiondevelopment.com/id12.html In my opinion it is OK more…
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And
what happens when a decent liberal objects to the hate speech? This is
from a file of 2500 Action Forum postings we downloaded prior to the
forum's shutdown in September. What Does Progressive Really Mean? To me, progressive means having new ideas. Creating new solutions. Thinking of new ways to move forward instead of looking back at the old ways of doing things. I have always thought that is why MoveOn.org is such a great name for a progressive political grassroots movement. But lately, when I read the posts on this forum, as well as many other progressive forums and blogs, I am shocked that about 90% of what I read is crap! Is the constant drone of blaming those who think "the old way" really progressive? How is this helping our nation to move forward? How is bitching and moaning about Bush and his administration changed anything in the last 6 years in a progressive way? And why the racism? This is relatively new on this forum. With the exception of Mr. Hutchinson's single-minded anti-Jewish posts for years, I don't remember reading the virulent anti-Zionist and anti-Semitic ranting on this site before the last few months. Is trying to destroy AIPAC and Israel in any way progressive? How is this going to move our nation forward? Will the hatred of Jews or African Americans or ANYBODY help America in a positive way? 62% voted to DISAGREE
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More MoveOn.org hate speech and 9/11 denial from Google's cache.
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America is the Dr. Frankenstein and in our labs we have created with our genius the monster Frankenstein.
We pay for those weapons. We personally pay taxes that murder people and our hands drip with blood of the Iraqi and Palestinian children and men and women. The "special relationship' we have with Israel is part of our EXCEPTIONALISM. We believe we deserve to own the world's resources, and the land and oil and water and power is ours. We pay for the largest military in the world so we can continue to feed our monster's habit of blood-sucking. Why is Israel feed American tax dollars? Because it is our baby. We are locked into a Neocon dream of world dominance. Israel took the part of NAZI Germany that understands world dominance through military and of course, the idea of death camps. The oppressed has become the oppressor in some sadomasochist dream of power. And then we watch the nuclear game, where we know Israel has enough nukes to end life on earth and we attack the Muslim states who start to think of getting their own in five or ten years. We as Dr. Frankenstein love our handywork. http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/print/mear01_.html And like a dysfunctional family with a sick father who murders women at night, our little monster child is something we are sickly proud of, for the monster will outdo us in his reach for little girls. And when the world of Muslims and free farmers come out in pitchforks and torches, we act sooooooooooooooo surprised that they would hurt our monster child. We weep for Israel, our Frankenstein baby monster. I personally think this monster helped the NeoCon dream of world domination by the New Pearl Harbor of 9-11, but then I am suspicious since I have seen the damage my tax dollars and your tax dollars of millions every day has done to the Palestinians. Maybe they learned it all from daddy America when we stole the land from the Natives and slaughtered wholesale their children and women? 18 out of 25 agree
I have spent the morning reading the web page http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org WIth the release of the new movie about FLIGHT 93, Americans are once again having the 9/11 myth endorsed. It is plain to anyone with half a brain that the truth about what happened on 9/11 is a created reality. "Wag the dog" all over again. It is OBVIOUS that Flight 93 was annihilated in the air, that it was NOT a commercial jetliner that damaged the pentagon and I believe that the twin towers were detonated. From what I am reading the 9/11 commission's report contains a denial that the physical structure of the towers was as they were built, in order to support the "natural collapse" theory.. NO I am not one of those people who love to invent conspiracies. I am a 63 year old lady who refuses to be manipulated by the government into ignoring evidence and data. My husband is convinced that those who created this horror will stop at nothing, to maintain their power, including if necessary, nuclear incidents, (more fear mongering which worked so well in 2004,) the establishment of martial law and the prevention of further elections. WE HAVE TO ENSURE THAT THE PUBLIC WAKES UP AND STARTS LOOKING at the EVIDENCE. We need MOVE ON to use their powers to stop this farce before the sheep out there re-elect this party. They are doing all they can to ensure it with paper-less voting etc. Getting a few candidates elected is simply NOT going to get the job done with corruption such as it exists! 27 out of 33 agree
Ex-mayor Rudolph Guliani, one of the real suspected terrorists, has plans to make a movie or capitalize on the events on 9/11. We need to find out where production is being set-up and put a stop to it. The sole purpose of these movies is to confuse the public on what really happened yet taking their attention off of the government officials that were really responsible. 6 out of 6 agree
Posted (briefly) at
the Huffington Post: MoveOn.org's "Jew Lieberman" as "N***er
Lieberman." MoveOn.org types really do think alike!
 Note
how African- American skin is used as an insult. That is, the artist
seems to think that turning someone Black is a put- down or derogatory
commentary on that individual. This picture was removed from the
Huffington Post after reams of criticism from the readers. |
Responsibility To WhistleBlow. Rights Are In The Constitution, Not Bush I'm going to be very dissapointed to not be included in the gang of anti-war, anti-Bush, anti-republican, anti-republican-lite-democrats posters here on moveon.org. I'm definitely proud of posting like mad. You know your winning the war against Rove and Republican Big Business Bush when stupid trolls come out from under their stinking logs to post against the well-written posters on moveon.org. According to the rules I read,this forum is not supposed to be about direct atttacks, and who would give those weirdos their personal email except another troll? They are wasting our time. Onward and upward... Now is the time for all people involved at all levels of our government and intelligence community, in the White House and in Congress, in states and nationally, to Whistleblow the truth on anyone involved in illegal activity. It will be part of the piece of the puzzle that could help save the United States of America, and prevent needless death and torture and even nuclear war. Your allegiance does not belong with George W. Bush. He is not the law of the land; Bush does not give you your rights as a citizen. Bush is merely one person who had the contacts and the will to authorize the NSA and other agencies to wiretap illegally, to steal the presidency illegally, to authorize kidnapping illegally, to authorize and to go to war under lies and misrepresentation to Congress and to the American people. It is your duty for you to tell the truth about the lies and torture and murder in our name that Bush and his cronies in his administration have executed against the real law of the land, the people and the US Constitution. There is no national emergency. Rather, Bush is creating a national emergency by his grasping for power. Other than that emergency, there is no national emergency. Bush has created the terrorists, in Iraq, and in the MiddleEast. You may not believe that if you have bought into the propaganda of Bush, or the lies his people have spread, but it is the truth. Israel may be terrorizing the people whose land they stole, like we terrorize Iraqis for their lands and oil beneath it. Bush may be terrorizing uneducated Americans, but he is the real terrorist. Ask the whole world. Don't hide the truth from the people. Don't lie and cover up for Bush. Think of yourself, people in high places, as standing before the Nuremberg Trials, telling the world what you knew, before the war in Iraq, before and after 9-11, about wiretapping, and torture, kidnapping and murder. Do you have a piece of the puzzle that could expose a whole pattern of criminal activity, if placed along side others who have a piece of the Bush criminal puzzle? Do you have the courage to tell the truth to the Nuremberg Trials or the International Criminal Court? Don't say you didn't know the other pieces of the truth, because they are suggested by many many events in the last 6 years. Do you know about voter fraud in one state? Do you know something about Bush insiders? Do you know about the CIA wiretapping, or the kidnapping? Do you know what they really did in GITMO? Don't be a fool. Bush is a criminal. We know it, you know it. The Constitution is the law of the land. That is what Bush and others in our government have sworn to uphold. So do not hold false allegiance to a false and illegal power, for we the citizens don't want you to lie to us to uphold a man who has usurped our rights, and our powers. Don't fool yourself you are doing anything noble, in breaking our laws. You are not, unless you come forth and tell the truth about Bush's lawbreaking activity, or his henchmen's illegal behavior and lies. Bush has been quietly reclassifying documents so fast that papers that have been once in the public domain that would have shown he was involved in immense illegal activity have been hidden from view to us who actually own those documents. Maybe some of these documents were like the millions of files destroyed re: Able Danger, who were knew about Atta pre-9-11. Possibly Bush has ordered the very papers reclassified that would prove that he ordered 9-11. Possibly the people involved could Whistleblow the truth about that, and create a great unraveling of the real truth of 9-11. Listen to John Dean and Daniel Ellesberg talk or read the transcript on the Watergate breakin trial exactly 30 years ago. Dean refused to lie for the president. http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/27/149236 Nixon and Bush have many, many similarities, as does Cheney and Kissinger. One of the points that Dean makes on Democracy Now! this morning is that Kissinger knew exactly what buttons to push on Nixon...that is question his masculinity to get him to punish people. Nixon was insecure as Bush is and as willing to do evil. It is the rights of all of the people you will be protecting from people dangerous to our country and our constitution that you protect when you take responsibility to tell the truth on Bush and his illegal activity. Wouldn't you blow the Whistle on Hitler? Can you see that Bush is not following the laws, and he is himself creating the national emergency. War powers are not Bush's. They have not been given to him, even by this weakest of Congress. Bush scares the people into abdication of their rights, and their duties to the ultimate authority, the Constitution of the United States of America. Bush is the problem. Bush is not the Law of the Land, he is the Criminal who stole our rights and lied for power over our law of the land, and hurt our country. Bush has gone against our constitution. Leak all over him, patriots. http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/27/149236
24 out of 26 agree
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From a downloaded archive of Action Forum postings 2533.
Waking up the Brain-dead
We
all know and agree heartily with the opinions of our fellow MoveOners, and
millions of other like-minded people the world over. However, it's still just
preaching to the choir. How do we get the Democrats to start using a coherent strategy
of fighting the BushCheney regime by really
enumerating their long, long list of worldwide crime, terrorism and corruption,
when they're not so great themselves? They too, have toadied to the
Christiano-fascist White Wing extremists- They too, give knee-jerk carte
blanche to the Ziono-fascist State of Israel (whose recent actions in Lebanon
have thrown thoughtful, progressive Jews in the US and Israel into an agony of
conflicting emotions). How do we get the corporate media to report more of the
truth? Is there ANY news anchor who would risk his job (and his life?) to say
he's mad as Hell, and isn't gonna take it anymore? We have some good weapons at hand- Jim Hightower, in the July issue of The Hightower Lowdown, has put together a most excellent, concise, statistical summary of exactly how the Bush Administration has been bad for America. We need to get the Dems to use this information, and we need to somehow 90 percent voted to agree
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From a downloaded archive of Action Forum postings 2883.
Walter L. Ellis statement
Walter
L. Ellis' statement is anti-semetic and insulting! What does he mean by stating
that American Jews should fight? Americans: Jews, Christians, Muslims, Blacks
and Whites are taken into the army and fight for our country. Why is he singling
out Jews and Conservatives. He's bigoted and has no concept that we are all in this
and fighting terrorism for our freedom. I am against the Iraq War, but support
our troops as they are fighting for us! Mr. Ellis needs to understand Israel is
our only Democratic link in the East. They need us and we need them. If a country bombs another country, that country must protect itself. If soldiers are kidnapped, they need to be returned. If what happened in Israel happened to the US, we also wouldn't sit by and try diplomacy. We'd go in and do the same thing Israel did. No country should bomb another and get away with it. 64
percent voted to DISAGREE
3019. TO GRANT PINNIX GEORGE BUSH, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS HORRIFIC MESS WE ARE IN NOW, IS A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN, BUT I DONT SEE YOU SPEAKING OUT AGAINST ALL BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS. IT SEEMS ONLY THE JEWS HAVE INCURRED YOUR WRATH (DEEP SEATED FEELINGS?) AT LEAST MEL GIBSON HAD THE LAME EXCUSE OF BEING DRUNK. ALL IM SAYING IS DONT BLAME ALL JEWS FOR WHAT IS HAPPENING IN ISRAEL. AS I'VE SAID BEFORE..IF YOU DONT LIKE THE NEWS YOU ARE GETTING FROM THE JEWISH OWNED MEDIA, MAY I SUGGEST FROM NOW ON YOU ONLY GET YOUR NEWS FROM THE "HANNITYS" AND "O'REILLYS" ME THINKS YOU DOTH PROTEST TO MUCH. 67
percent voted to DISAGREE
Eli Pariser, want to tell us again how " We were pleased to see that so many MoveOn members rose to sharply criticize the hate speech that was posted – even before it was brought to our attention?". |
Hate Speech directed at Evangelical Christians
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I am continually dismayed by our lack of focus on the president's
dangerous religious beliefs and how they are informing the agenda of
his administration. As an Evangelical
Christian, the president is doing his part to hasten armageddon, as
evidenced by his middle-east policies. He would like nothing more than
full scale war between the Jews, Christians and Muslims, as has been
prophesisied in the Bible. Also keep in mind that the Evangelicals have
no great love for the Baptists or the Catholics, many of whom the
president managed to kill in New Orleans. Yet the president's Evangelical Christian agenda is largely ignored - and it needs to be exposed.
9 out of 11 agree
4740.
Evangelicals (from downloaded Action Forum archive)
There
are several million people (Randi Rhodes says 20 to 25 million) who it seems progressives
simply can't convince of their stupidity. They are the Born Again Christians or
Evangelical Christians. I, like Randi, have given up on them because they
simply hate science, and I can't deal
with people like that. We need someone -
not me - to see if something can't be done about that. Those people are
"shooting themselves in the foot" because they are poor and letting
the rich control them, but are too dumb
to know it. The Evangelicals are a small part of Christians. Why can't mainstream
Christians do something about them?70 percent voted to agree that "something" should be done about science-hating Evangelical Christians
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I strongly agree with number 2 and 3 comments currently at the top of
the Political Action Goals. There are always individual cases of fraud
in an election, but Mark Crispin Miller claims widespread fraud in 2004
that cost Kerry the election. "Fooled Again: How the Right Stole the
2004 election and why they'll steal the next one too (unless we stop
them" is his book. He says the use of the Diebolt computer voting
machines and the use of large number of evangelicals
to man polling booths created widespread electoral fraud, not just in
Ohio. Three states have now rejected Diebolt machines and a month ago
the CEO of Diebolt resigned. We must get paper trails in every state.
The efforts to reform Ohio campaign (which Moveon. org is supporting) lost four propositions to reform Ohio government in November 2005 to the great surprise of even the far right in Ohio. All voters in Ohio use Diebolt computer voting machines, and there is now widespread suspicion about the accuracy of the vote. Every vote must count. The League of Women Voters is working hard for manually marked paper ballots with optical scan units for speed. They are far cheaper than the computer voting machines and much more accurate. We will never regain control of our government if our votes are not accurately counted. 127 out of 131 agree that Evangelicals created widespread election fraud
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Update: 10 May 2007
Prior to MoveOn.org's taking its now-disgraced Action Forum offline, we downloaded about 30 megabytes (7500 posts) of its content for inspection at our leisure--preferably on an empty stomach. It is truly amazing what some people define as "not anti-Semitic," noting that Barack Obama's friend Al Sharpton says Louis "Judaism is a gutter religion" Farrakhan is not an anti-Semite, and his own term "Greek homos" is not derogatory of gay people. Here is some additional material, which we found by searching the downloaded files with WordPad.
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anti-Jewish, is not by definition anti-Semitic. According to
what I've read, the Arabs, Jews, and others are all
Semitic. It is not a question of Race, it is a question of justice.
Anyone who takes the time to become familiar with the history of the
creation of, and the acts of the Jewish State of Israel can come to no
other conclusion that it should not exist where it does in the first place. Israel
backed by army of cyber-soldiers Israel's
Government has thrown its weight behind efforts by supporters to counter what
it believes to be negative bias and a tide of pro-Arab propaganda. The Foreign
Ministry has ordered trainee diplomats to track websites and chatrooms so that
networks of US and European groups with hundreds of thousands of Jewish activists
can place supportive messages. In
the past week nearly 5,000 members of the World Union of Jewish Students (WUJS)
have downloaded special "megaphone" software that alerts them to
anti-Israeli chatrooms or internet polls to enable them to post contrary
viewpoints. A student team in Jerusalem combs the web in a host of different
languages to flag the sites so that those who have signed up can influence an opinion survey or the course of a debate. This
is cyberwar, and the net is right there on the front lines. This is why
pro-truth sites are getting hacked, as well as people getting smeared, their businesses sabotaged, and their lives destroyed
for the mere questioning of the current Israeli campaign. So
keep in mind that the person screaming at you about Israel's right to
self-defense is probably working for the Israeli Foreign Ministry. Quit!!!
bullying "MoveOn-" one of the few forums where democrats can still be
heard and I'm not talking about
pseudo-democrats (Clinton zealots with income and/or trust funds all in
the high 6 or 7 figures). I'm sick of the monied-class elite's air of
entitlement. Arrogance may be a luxury
that a privileged minority unwisely indulge themselves. But
I can see why you might think you OWN! the media,or are entitled to: 8 JEWS RUN
U.S. MEDIA Today, eight Jewish Americans run the vast majority of US television
networks, the printed press, the Hollywood movie industry, the book publishing
industry, and the recording industry. Most
of these industries are bundled into huge media conglomerates run by the
following eight individuals: Gerald
Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner Michael
Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company Edgar
Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd Edgar
Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal
Studios Sumner
Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc Dennis
Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric Peter
Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited Fox
News, which is of course owned by Rupert Murdock - also a jew. Last
night on PBS (News Hour/Washington Week) they talked about Lamont. The talking
heads were my age (I did voter registration for CORE in '64) and talked about the
Democratic Party and Clinton and Dean, et al. and how Cheney made favorable
comments about Leiberman. Then they mentioned MoveOn and the Internet gen in
passing as a kind of unknown. The Internet is now about 10 years old and the
AOL kids are now in their mid 20's and
30's and working; they don't watch network tv, they get their news from the
web, their community and culture is the
Internet, and they have a growing
influence on the world. We have discussed the Jewish control of the media ad nauseam
here, but the 16 through 36 yr olds media is the Internet, and apparently not
controlled by Jew (or else we would not
have had the discussion at all). J.F. Dragon, no I cannot agree with your premise as stated above about all Middle East Arab countries. Before you start this Anti-Semitic rhetoric, have you ever asked yourself why so many are against Israel? Have you studied how Israel was created through terrorist means against Arabs (Palestinians) and the then occupying British? Israel formed their country by stealing land away from its then rightful owners through terrorist means. So perhaps it was those European terrorist Jews that started this current round of hatred toward a country that was formed by stealing land away from the resident Palestinians without any humanitarian compensation for where they are to go from there. How would you feel about foreign invaders stealing your Grandparents or parents land and home to bulldoze it down and then give it to a foreign born person, just because they are Jewish or whatever that invader's faith and nationality is? Another 3 " militants" were murdered by Israeli helicopters and soldiers in Gaza today- airstrikes in urban areas are constructive murder-and to make it perfectly clear to all that the genocide of Palestinians is the object the Israeli forces then demoloished the building that the " militants" were in. Israel is the main problem in the Middle East. Israeli Occupation Force Opens Fire On Palestinian Worshippers IOF troops stationed in al-Ram neighborhood at the edge of occupied Jerusalem opened fire at West Bank Palestinians trying to enter the holy city to attend the Friday prayers at the Aqsa Mosque. Please copy, e-mail, re-post and distribute this as widely as possible. Also for those without Internet access. Take Action, sign on to the letter at <a href="http://www.cflweb.org/" >http://www.cflweb.org/</a> political action and tell Congress to stop using your tax dollars to support Israeli terrorism. For further political action and information see <a href="http://www.cnionline.org/">http://www.cnionline.org</a> and <a href="http://www.endtheoccupation.org/"> http://www.endtheoccupation.org/</a> and <a href="http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/"> http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/</a> and <a href="http://www.nowarforisrael.com/"> http://www.nowarforisrael.com</a> and <a href="http://www.pchrgaza.org/">http://www.pchrgaza.org/</a> and <a href="http://www.voicesofpalestine.org/"> http://www.voicesofpalestine.org/</a> and <a href="http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/am/publish/"> http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/am/publish/</a> </font></p><p> palsolidarity.org = the International Solidarity Movement, which has ties with actual Hamas terrorists.
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Terry
McFee and Israel supporters: stop the unsupported blind bias towards Israel’s
hatred of Palestinians and Arabs. I
am friends with many American Jews, European Jews and Israeli Jews. Most of all
of these Jewish friends and associates do not support your blind bias towards
the Israeli government as do you Terry and a few others on this forum. Evil is
evil no matter who is the person or government committing such acts. Terrorism
is terrorism, no matter
what pretty name you assign to it such as: ”self-defense”. No
terrorism should be tolerated and Israel should have never been recognized to create a state as a result of terrorist acts. Israel
was rewarded for being terrorist by granting them recognition of a state
created by nothing but terrorism and no diplomacy. Terry
McFee, I am really getting tired of reading your vast post here that state the
exact same thing as your previous post before that one without
any documented proof of anything you claim against everyone, but Israel. You
claim about all Palestinians and Arabs want Israel destroyed, but you do not
explain or attempt to defend how Israel was created by nothing more than terrorism
toward the inhabitant Not
in my name
I
know that condemning all Jews is wrong,,,, but
I don’t have a word that describes the misguided,
blood thirsty ones. Sorry. I
can’t just say Israel because their US supporters may be the real instigators. There
are Arab Jews, black African Jews and European Jews. There
are 25,000 Jews living in Iran, many Lebanon and some have lived in Iraq. Palestinians
have been helped, befriended and married to Israeli Jews. Many
Jews in Israel and the US have been outspoken in support of the Palestinians. The
EU countries where many Jews have risen to the top always support the
Palestinians in the UN and financially. I
also know that there is more than one Jew on this forum that condemns Israeli
actions and their American supporters. [And don't forget MoveOn's own Noah Winer.] Suddenly,
at an office picnic, former Bush supporters are angry at the oil companies for squeezing
every last penny out of us as they see the use of carbon based fuels rapidly
comming to an end. The majority (in my office), even of Bush supporters, are
now agreeing that human activity has
caused global warming. Go Gore! We can thank President Gore not only for taking
the initive to make the Internet available to the public, but also for warning the world of the issues most important
for the world to address. Nobody
at the picnic even mentioned the reported airline-chemical-etc. People are
growing weary of the childish Neocon
promotion of fear of boogeymen.
Islamic hostilities will go away the minute Israel is closed down and the Jews
all move to the US where they should have
come to begin with.
Phyllis Bennis (Jewish), a longtime analyst and activist around Middle East issues, is now head of the Middle East Project at the Institute for Policy Studies in Washington, D.C. She is the author of From Stones to Statehood: The Palestinian Uprising, a book about the Palestinian intifada of the late 1980s, and Calling the Shots: How Washington Dominates Today's U.N. In this interview, Phyllis analyzes the racist character of Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza as well as its treatment of Palestinians who live within Israel's pre-1967 borders. Phyllis Bennis: What's going on right now can be summed up in one word: occupation. Contrary to the U.S. media's portrayal, the Israeli occupation of Palestine is at the root of what the media at best identify only as a "disproportionate" use of violence by the Israelis on the West Bank and Gaza. Certainly the Israeli troops' use of helicopter gunships, of machine guns mounted on tanks, and so on is profoundly disproportionate when used against a Palestinian civilian population armed only with stones and some old Kalashnikov rifles.
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